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		<title>By: Nathan Anderson</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I certainly agree that we (white people) can often make a habit of marginalizing and excluding people of color, it&#039;s not a conscious decision.  If anything, I would argue that most of us (as most all anarchists do) wish greatly to bridge the divides and ensure solidarity amongst different racial and cultural groups.  However, just like how in the lunchroom as a kid the black kids generally congregate together, and the Mexicans, and the whites, etc., etc., people naturally segregate themselves due to a.) the common ancestry/color/heritage people identify themselves by and b.) our society&#039;s subconscious and subliminal restraints on our minds that make racial harmony so difficult.

I feel that this essay grossly generalizes white radicals.  Of course inherent racism and white privilege are a problem today; what the fuck else is new?  But remember this: just like our system of white supremacy continues to oppress people of color (and women, and people of little to no monetary wealth, and people who choose to live outside the law, and children...I could go on all day listing groups of people who are oppressed), so it continues to subliminally instill racist and supremacist propaganda into the human subconscious, and this is true for all races, not just us privileged white folk.

Just like we&#039;re all to blame for being a part of the system and at the same time not to blame because we&#039;re ALL part of the system (even at varying degrees of evasion and escape), so we&#039;re all to blame for allowing racism and privilege to continue.  Just because I was &quot;fortunate&quot; enough to be born white doesn&#039;t make it my sole responsibility to crush white privilege, nor would I have any idea how to go about doing that.  It&#039;s going to take a significant amount of teamwork and solidarity amongst people of different colors to accomplish that.  Otherwise it&#039;ll never happen.

I feel that you&#039;re turning the hostility and exclusion you&#039;ve experienced back on white people, and I can guarantee that&#039;s going to get you nowhere.  It&#039;s not easy to do, but I&#039;ve been doing this for years: don&#039;t get mad and treat people how you&#039;ve been treated; prove them wrong.  If you feel excluded, go out of your way to make them feel INcluded.  Turn the other cheek, passive resistance, all that good shit: teaching by example is the only way we&#039;re going to accomplish anything.  People used to pick on me so much in school, and I let it bother me and got pissed off and nothing ever changed.  But when I continued to be nice and chill to people that fucked with me, I found over time (not overnight) that began to change, and I sensed quite a bit more respect coming my way.

Let me say another thing: people looking frightened just because they see a person of color walking their direction is a sad thing, but a common one.  However, I&#039;ve caught plenty of dirty or fearful looks from people just for a brand on my arm, some piercings, the clothes I wear, etc.  I&#039;ve had many people judge me as if I was a completely different race or species for talking openly of my radical ideals or for incessant swearing and the like.  People can have a lot of different reasons for fearing someone they don&#039;t know.  But if we attack the causes of such fear and ignorance (namely, capitalistic hierarchy, and the elitism and supremacist attitudes it breeds) and educate people about the racial, socioeconomic, sexual, etc. divides that still exist (no matter how much monoculture seems to mimic &quot;equality&quot;), solidarity, tolerance, understanding, and harmony will be significantly more reachable.

Also, don&#039;t rule out the possibility that marginalization of colored people by whites brings about feelings of exclusion and frustration which are not always logically acted upon.  If I felt marginalized in a situation, I&#039;m sure I would have a negative instinct to lash out and criticize and judge.  But two wrongs don&#039;t make a right.  We have to be willing to fearlessly inventory our actions and our strengths and weaknesses, and certainly to admit fault whenever blame can be attributed to ourselves.

I&#039;ll give you an example of how the oppressed can become oppressors: my friend was celebrating his friend&#039;s birthday with her and another guy, and she wanted to go to a club.  They went to the club, and the patrons that night turned out to be 100% black, as far as my (white) friend could tell.  As soon as he got there he was stared at, given dirty looks, and talked down to.  He said people tried to start fights with him all night.  What those people should have done was make him feel welcome and attempt to dissolve the barriers between race (wouldn&#039;t have been hard, my friend is as tolerant as a &quot;privileged&quot; white boy can be).  Instead, they accentuated the divides by treating him the same way they feel white society has treated them.

This is the problem: our violent, competitive world pits us against each other and instead of attempting to defuse situations by reversing the flow of energy, we as humans frequently seek &quot;punishment&quot; or &quot;justice&quot; or revenge by inflicting the same or similar damage on the perpetrators.  This will solve nothing, only send the cycle of oppression, exclusion, and violence into an endless spiral.

So let&#039;s start coming up with ideas for removing our mental blocks and inherent supremacist notions and turn the other cheek when need be.  Personally, I&#039;ll bite the bullet and take a slap (or a few brass knucks) to the face any day, if it means the slightest possibility of fostering cooperation and harmony among a diverse group of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I certainly agree that we (white people) can often make a habit of marginalizing and excluding people of color, it&#8217;s not a conscious decision.  If anything, I would argue that most of us (as most all anarchists do) wish greatly to bridge the divides and ensure solidarity amongst different racial and cultural groups.  However, just like how in the lunchroom as a kid the black kids generally congregate together, and the Mexicans, and the whites, etc., etc., people naturally segregate themselves due to a.) the common ancestry/color/heritage people identify themselves by and b.) our society&#8217;s subconscious and subliminal restraints on our minds that make racial harmony so difficult.</p>
<p>I feel that this essay grossly generalizes white radicals.  Of course inherent racism and white privilege are a problem today; what the fuck else is new?  But remember this: just like our system of white supremacy continues to oppress people of color (and women, and people of little to no monetary wealth, and people who choose to live outside the law, and children&#8230;I could go on all day listing groups of people who are oppressed), so it continues to subliminally instill racist and supremacist propaganda into the human subconscious, and this is true for all races, not just us privileged white folk.</p>
<p>Just like we&#8217;re all to blame for being a part of the system and at the same time not to blame because we&#8217;re ALL part of the system (even at varying degrees of evasion and escape), so we&#8217;re all to blame for allowing racism and privilege to continue.  Just because I was &#8220;fortunate&#8221; enough to be born white doesn&#8217;t make it my sole responsibility to crush white privilege, nor would I have any idea how to go about doing that.  It&#8217;s going to take a significant amount of teamwork and solidarity amongst people of different colors to accomplish that.  Otherwise it&#8217;ll never happen.</p>
<p>I feel that you&#8217;re turning the hostility and exclusion you&#8217;ve experienced back on white people, and I can guarantee that&#8217;s going to get you nowhere.  It&#8217;s not easy to do, but I&#8217;ve been doing this for years: don&#8217;t get mad and treat people how you&#8217;ve been treated; prove them wrong.  If you feel excluded, go out of your way to make them feel INcluded.  Turn the other cheek, passive resistance, all that good shit: teaching by example is the only way we&#8217;re going to accomplish anything.  People used to pick on me so much in school, and I let it bother me and got pissed off and nothing ever changed.  But when I continued to be nice and chill to people that fucked with me, I found over time (not overnight) that began to change, and I sensed quite a bit more respect coming my way.</p>
<p>Let me say another thing: people looking frightened just because they see a person of color walking their direction is a sad thing, but a common one.  However, I&#8217;ve caught plenty of dirty or fearful looks from people just for a brand on my arm, some piercings, the clothes I wear, etc.  I&#8217;ve had many people judge me as if I was a completely different race or species for talking openly of my radical ideals or for incessant swearing and the like.  People can have a lot of different reasons for fearing someone they don&#8217;t know.  But if we attack the causes of such fear and ignorance (namely, capitalistic hierarchy, and the elitism and supremacist attitudes it breeds) and educate people about the racial, socioeconomic, sexual, etc. divides that still exist (no matter how much monoculture seems to mimic &#8220;equality&#8221;), solidarity, tolerance, understanding, and harmony will be significantly more reachable.</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t rule out the possibility that marginalization of colored people by whites brings about feelings of exclusion and frustration which are not always logically acted upon.  If I felt marginalized in a situation, I&#8217;m sure I would have a negative instinct to lash out and criticize and judge.  But two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right.  We have to be willing to fearlessly inventory our actions and our strengths and weaknesses, and certainly to admit fault whenever blame can be attributed to ourselves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you an example of how the oppressed can become oppressors: my friend was celebrating his friend&#8217;s birthday with her and another guy, and she wanted to go to a club.  They went to the club, and the patrons that night turned out to be 100% black, as far as my (white) friend could tell.  As soon as he got there he was stared at, given dirty looks, and talked down to.  He said people tried to start fights with him all night.  What those people should have done was make him feel welcome and attempt to dissolve the barriers between race (wouldn&#8217;t have been hard, my friend is as tolerant as a &#8220;privileged&#8221; white boy can be).  Instead, they accentuated the divides by treating him the same way they feel white society has treated them.</p>
<p>This is the problem: our violent, competitive world pits us against each other and instead of attempting to defuse situations by reversing the flow of energy, we as humans frequently seek &#8220;punishment&#8221; or &#8220;justice&#8221; or revenge by inflicting the same or similar damage on the perpetrators.  This will solve nothing, only send the cycle of oppression, exclusion, and violence into an endless spiral.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s start coming up with ideas for removing our mental blocks and inherent supremacist notions and turn the other cheek when need be.  Personally, I&#8217;ll bite the bullet and take a slap (or a few brass knucks) to the face any day, if it means the slightest possibility of fostering cooperation and harmony among a diverse group of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Alphonse</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-1409</link>
		<dc:creator>Alphonse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do so many APOCers complain about white radicals and siphon the guilt out of them like vampires?

I mean, damn. 

We anti-racist &quot;POC&quot; (what is that anyway? Isn&#039;t &quot;black good enough?&quot;) need the &quot;unenlightened white radical&quot; so that our stances as anti-racists feel justified. In the same way, anarcha-feminists need the &quot;Manarchist&quot; so that they can identify the &quot;unexpected evil growing in our safe circle&quot;, when really, most of the time, people are being straight assholes.

I&#039;ll admit it. I&#039;m an asshole. I think APOC (specifically Philly) consists of a super-guilty circle of people who, after being surrounded by white people and their bullshit, can do nothing but complain about how they&#039;re &quot;not making up for their inherent racism&quot;

Fuck it. I&#039;m a black kid, and it&#039;s fine. I&#039;m sure I am oppressed in some way or other, but I don&#039;t see the sense in exploiting the guilt of well-intentioned but obviously insular activists. Let &#039;em figure it out!

I&#039;m just done with going to all-white radical spaces and complaining about how it&#039;s all white. I&#039;d rather just hang out with my real friends of any color, even if they don&#039;t call themselves &quot;anarchist&quot;.

-A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do so many APOCers complain about white radicals and siphon the guilt out of them like vampires?</p>
<p>I mean, damn. </p>
<p>We anti-racist &#8220;POC&#8221; (what is that anyway? Isn&#8217;t &#8220;black good enough?&#8221;) need the &#8220;unenlightened white radical&#8221; so that our stances as anti-racists feel justified. In the same way, anarcha-feminists need the &#8220;Manarchist&#8221; so that they can identify the &#8220;unexpected evil growing in our safe circle&#8221;, when really, most of the time, people are being straight assholes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit it. I&#8217;m an asshole. I think APOC (specifically Philly) consists of a super-guilty circle of people who, after being surrounded by white people and their bullshit, can do nothing but complain about how they&#8217;re &#8220;not making up for their inherent racism&#8221;</p>
<p>Fuck it. I&#8217;m a black kid, and it&#8217;s fine. I&#8217;m sure I am oppressed in some way or other, but I don&#8217;t see the sense in exploiting the guilt of well-intentioned but obviously insular activists. Let &#8216;em figure it out!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just done with going to all-white radical spaces and complaining about how it&#8217;s all white. I&#8217;d rather just hang out with my real friends of any color, even if they don&#8217;t call themselves &#8220;anarchist&#8221;.</p>
<p>-A.</p>
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		<title>By: Tare</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-1406</link>
		<dc:creator>Tare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 17:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Violence over the internet? Interesting concept. Oh, and the power structure, and violence are two seperate things. Just like a ham sandwich and violence are two seperate things, but can be used together. Just like say, violence and religion. Seperate. But can be used together, with great results. How is this letter exploitave to white anarchist?  This type of response &quot;christian anarchist&quot;, is exactly the reason there is a neccesity for this letter. Again yer missin the friggin point, this isn&#039;t about &quot;them&quot;, it&#039;s about &quot;their&quot; relationship with us, colored anarchist. This is not a response to a couple of isolated incedences. This is a response to an ancient evil, that manifest itself in everything, down to the plastic keys, im typing on, that were brutally extracted from god knows what poor brown people, by, Hey, you guessed it, a bunch of white people who think they have a right to do so! So excuse us if we&#039;re a little angry, when a white boy who&#039;s never had to deal with a society dominated by people who deem him sub-human, tries to tell you how you should feel, or respond to it, or how you should &quot;practice compassion&quot;, with some motherfucker who&#039;s got a gun pointed at you, wants to lynch you, and rape your partner and daughter,( give the little boy to the priest), or anything for that matter. I noticed that a lot in this society among the anarchist. The majority of them want you to happily deny whats happening to you, or accredit it to sumthin else 
there not ready to deal with the fact that white supremacy is real, and it pisses colored people off. This isn&#039;t a text book issue for us, half-way across the world, you comfortable motherfuckers, its in our face. Anger i would say is one of the natural responses to opression, can&#039;t take that away from us Pa. What does any animal, who&#039;s gettin pushed into a corner do? Pacifism is a luxury. Oh, and i love how pacifist can magically turn anything they don&#039;t agree with into something &quot;violent&quot; to demonize it and invalidate it. Fuck you. If white people were emotionally hurt during the making of this letter, they should be thankful they have a better glimpse on  the pain that this system &quot;develops&quot; ha, and know when to recognize and identify the consequences of the system. people of Color people know this truth, and don&#039;t have the luxury of ignoring it. And it&#039;s counter productive to anyone with freedom in mind, to try and ignore the complex residual issues of capatalism, including people who fight against it but are still hindered by its constant presence in their lives, like privileged white kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Violence over the internet? Interesting concept. Oh, and the power structure, and violence are two seperate things. Just like a ham sandwich and violence are two seperate things, but can be used together. Just like say, violence and religion. Seperate. But can be used together, with great results. How is this letter exploitave to white anarchist?  This type of response &#8220;christian anarchist&#8221;, is exactly the reason there is a neccesity for this letter. Again yer missin the friggin point, this isn&#8217;t about &#8220;them&#8221;, it&#8217;s about &#8220;their&#8221; relationship with us, colored anarchist. This is not a response to a couple of isolated incedences. This is a response to an ancient evil, that manifest itself in everything, down to the plastic keys, im typing on, that were brutally extracted from god knows what poor brown people, by, Hey, you guessed it, a bunch of white people who think they have a right to do so! So excuse us if we&#8217;re a little angry, when a white boy who&#8217;s never had to deal with a society dominated by people who deem him sub-human, tries to tell you how you should feel, or respond to it, or how you should &#8220;practice compassion&#8221;, with some motherfucker who&#8217;s got a gun pointed at you, wants to lynch you, and rape your partner and daughter,( give the little boy to the priest), or anything for that matter. I noticed that a lot in this society among the anarchist. The majority of them want you to happily deny whats happening to you, or accredit it to sumthin else<br />
there not ready to deal with the fact that white supremacy is real, and it pisses colored people off. This isn&#8217;t a text book issue for us, half-way across the world, you comfortable motherfuckers, its in our face. Anger i would say is one of the natural responses to opression, can&#8217;t take that away from us Pa. What does any animal, who&#8217;s gettin pushed into a corner do? Pacifism is a luxury. Oh, and i love how pacifist can magically turn anything they don&#8217;t agree with into something &#8220;violent&#8221; to demonize it and invalidate it. Fuck you. If white people were emotionally hurt during the making of this letter, they should be thankful they have a better glimpse on  the pain that this system &#8220;develops&#8221; ha, and know when to recognize and identify the consequences of the system. people of Color people know this truth, and don&#8217;t have the luxury of ignoring it. And it&#8217;s counter productive to anyone with freedom in mind, to try and ignore the complex residual issues of capatalism, including people who fight against it but are still hindered by its constant presence in their lives, like privileged white kids.</p>
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		<title>By: a Christian anarchist</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>a Christian anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I also thank you for writing this, I do not like the way it has made the white folks who have responded grovel at our feet in fear.  It has psychically poisoned them, and I can&#039;t condone this sort of violence.  In the Peaceable Kingdom ALL structures of power and exploitation will be demolished, even the one you have constructed with this letter.  

My Latina friend was expelled from a meeting once because she looked too white.  When will be the day when we can recognize common humanity with our brothers and sisters?  Can&#039;t we as people of color be at the forefront of this, or must we fall prey to the violent divisiveness that is wanted and expected of us in this broken world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I also thank you for writing this, I do not like the way it has made the white folks who have responded grovel at our feet in fear.  It has psychically poisoned them, and I can&#8217;t condone this sort of violence.  In the Peaceable Kingdom ALL structures of power and exploitation will be demolished, even the one you have constructed with this letter.  </p>
<p>My Latina friend was expelled from a meeting once because she looked too white.  When will be the day when we can recognize common humanity with our brothers and sisters?  Can&#8217;t we as people of color be at the forefront of this, or must we fall prey to the violent divisiveness that is wanted and expected of us in this broken world?</p>
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		<title>By: Tare</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-1389</link>
		<dc:creator>Tare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said you don&#039;t know why you bothered going through the trouble of typing this.Being a black anarchist is a VERY isolated existence. This &quot;open letter&quot;, is my life. I&#039;m glad you bothered. We are not alone. Oh, and for all you white &quot;radicals&quot; this applies to, take heed because i am indeed past words. Your fear creates the type of black man you fear, for example im walking down the street. a white woman is approaching with her child. Upon seeing me, (and this is my everyday life white people!), she grabs her child by the hand and moves the child to her other side, hurrying past me. What i could possibly want with her bad ass kid i don&#039;t know but the fact that the vast majority of white people react this way to my presence,(i would say 99%, on a daily basis, and i look very &quot;normal&quot; besides my septum which is only a 16), MAKES ME SO F@#$ING ANGRY, that i want to do unspeakable things to every one who reacts to my presence with fear. But i really love how when i get in to discussions on race theres always some white &quot;radical&quot; who has a deeper insight, into the problem, and enlightens me on how its really an issue of class and they come from a working class irish family or whatever and blah blah blah, no. YOU. DONT. KNOW. PERIOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said you don&#8217;t know why you bothered going through the trouble of typing this.Being a black anarchist is a VERY isolated existence. This &#8220;open letter&#8221;, is my life. I&#8217;m glad you bothered. We are not alone. Oh, and for all you white &#8220;radicals&#8221; this applies to, take heed because i am indeed past words. Your fear creates the type of black man you fear, for example im walking down the street. a white woman is approaching with her child. Upon seeing me, (and this is my everyday life white people!), she grabs her child by the hand and moves the child to her other side, hurrying past me. What i could possibly want with her bad ass kid i don&#8217;t know but the fact that the vast majority of white people react this way to my presence,(i would say 99%, on a daily basis, and i look very &#8220;normal&#8221; besides my septum which is only a 16), MAKES ME SO F@#$ING ANGRY, that i want to do unspeakable things to every one who reacts to my presence with fear. But i really love how when i get in to discussions on race theres always some white &#8220;radical&#8221; who has a deeper insight, into the problem, and enlightens me on how its really an issue of class and they come from a working class irish family or whatever and blah blah blah, no. YOU. DONT. KNOW. PERIOD.</p>
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		<title>By: wrascle</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-1383</link>
		<dc:creator>wrascle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>firstly, thank you for writing this letter. 

people reading this who have skin privilege: LISTEN! if we really want to work on our shit, we need to take criticism seriously and openly. we are less than chicken-shit and completely compromised if we do not. 

&quot;anger is a grief of distortions between peers, and its object is change. but our time is getting shorter...&quot; - audre lorde

LISTEN TO ANGER. WE MUST NOT BE DEFENSIVE. IF WE ARE, THAT AMOUNTS TO BEING FULLY COMPLICIT in WHITE SUPREMACY. for real.

below here is a great source--a challenge to perpetrators of oppression, to &quot;turn guilt into grief and anger, privilege into accountability, half-hearted apologies into action, complacency into resistance&quot; (from the introduction). 

--&gt; Unsettling Ourselves: Reflections and Resources for Deconstructing Colonial Mentality (free download at): http://www.sendspace.com/file/jv4ohd

and every time i got defensive while reading, i put down the book and thought about why. READ IT. *especially you radicals who are serious about not being white supremacists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firstly, thank you for writing this letter. </p>
<p>people reading this who have skin privilege: LISTEN! if we really want to work on our shit, we need to take criticism seriously and openly. we are less than chicken-shit and completely compromised if we do not. </p>
<p>&#8220;anger is a grief of distortions between peers, and its object is change. but our time is getting shorter&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; audre lorde</p>
<p>LISTEN TO ANGER. WE MUST NOT BE DEFENSIVE. IF WE ARE, THAT AMOUNTS TO BEING FULLY COMPLICIT in WHITE SUPREMACY. for real.</p>
<p>below here is a great source&#8211;a challenge to perpetrators of oppression, to &#8220;turn guilt into grief and anger, privilege into accountability, half-hearted apologies into action, complacency into resistance&#8221; (from the introduction). </p>
<p>&#8211;&gt; Unsettling Ourselves: Reflections and Resources for Deconstructing Colonial Mentality (free download at): <a href="http://www.sendspace.com/file/jv4ohd" rel="nofollow">http://www.sendspace.com/file/jv4ohd</a></p>
<p>and every time i got defensive while reading, i put down the book and thought about why. READ IT. *especially you radicals who are serious about not being white supremacists.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great letter. As a white radical, a lot of what&#039;s in here was like a slap in the face. 

&quot;Anything smelling of an admission of fault is always layered under such a large heap of self-righteous bullshit that it reminds us, with you at least, an apology is never an apology at all.&quot; 

That&#039;s fucking deep. 

You wrote that you have no solutions to offer. It isn&#039;t your responsibility to offer solutions to us, as you know. This is one of the things that bugs the shit out of me, when white progressives expect people of color to do their work for them. I know I did for some time, and had to have that beaten out of me. I hope its gone, but it&#039;s a constant struggle to check myself. White supremacy is a tricky, deceitful motherfucker - it holds on, digs deep, hides in the cracks, and won&#039;t let go. When it does come out, it&#039;s disguised as something warm and fuzzy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great letter. As a white radical, a lot of what&#8217;s in here was like a slap in the face. </p>
<p>&#8220;Anything smelling of an admission of fault is always layered under such a large heap of self-righteous bullshit that it reminds us, with you at least, an apology is never an apology at all.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s fucking deep. </p>
<p>You wrote that you have no solutions to offer. It isn&#8217;t your responsibility to offer solutions to us, as you know. This is one of the things that bugs the shit out of me, when white progressives expect people of color to do their work for them. I know I did for some time, and had to have that beaten out of me. I hope its gone, but it&#8217;s a constant struggle to check myself. White supremacy is a tricky, deceitful motherfucker &#8211; it holds on, digs deep, hides in the cracks, and won&#8217;t let go. When it does come out, it&#8217;s disguised as something warm and fuzzy.</p>
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		<title>By: RJH</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to state the obvious and point out that the comments above (except for Joseph), while clearly written by white people, are not voices of the progressive or radical audience that you are calling to. 

I appreciate you taking the time to write this letter, particularly because it is not fair to require you to inform us of our privilege. I try my best to acknowledge systems of power and agree that I have been spoon-fed white supremacy since birth but it is not as simple as being ready to break with our white privilege or not. I address issues of bigotry to the best of my ability when I see them, I try to take constructive criticism of my privileges to heart, and I really have no intentions of insulting or debilitating anyone. If there is more that I can do without flaunting a privilege that I do not think should exist then I will do what I can. 

I know that I have more to learn and that is why I was drawn to reading your letter. But your writing is not speaking to progressive allies who are prepared to recognize that their privilege is a problem, you seem to be confronting people who are not ready to listen and outright expressing that you do not expect them to understand. While the majority of what you say is true, the argument is defeatist if everyone could be assumed to be these white progressives and radicals that you describe. 

~ RJH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to state the obvious and point out that the comments above (except for Joseph), while clearly written by white people, are not voices of the progressive or radical audience that you are calling to. </p>
<p>I appreciate you taking the time to write this letter, particularly because it is not fair to require you to inform us of our privilege. I try my best to acknowledge systems of power and agree that I have been spoon-fed white supremacy since birth but it is not as simple as being ready to break with our white privilege or not. I address issues of bigotry to the best of my ability when I see them, I try to take constructive criticism of my privileges to heart, and I really have no intentions of insulting or debilitating anyone. If there is more that I can do without flaunting a privilege that I do not think should exist then I will do what I can. </p>
<p>I know that I have more to learn and that is why I was drawn to reading your letter. But your writing is not speaking to progressive allies who are prepared to recognize that their privilege is a problem, you seem to be confronting people who are not ready to listen and outright expressing that you do not expect them to understand. While the majority of what you say is true, the argument is defeatist if everyone could be assumed to be these white progressives and radicals that you describe. </p>
<p>~ RJH</p>
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		<title>By: A. Joseph</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-969</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your society — and if you’re white, it is your society, regardless of your political pretensions to the contrary — and your way of life are built on a foundation of white supremacy.&quot;

Right on.  And to comment number 5:  color ain&#039;t just black and white, and APOC is a MOVEMENT, not just this website.  AmeriKKKa is just 5% of the worlds population to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your society — and if you’re white, it is your society, regardless of your political pretensions to the contrary — and your way of life are built on a foundation of white supremacy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right on.  And to comment number 5:  color ain&#8217;t just black and white, and APOC is a MOVEMENT, not just this website.  AmeriKKKa is just 5% of the worlds population to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: fuckoff</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-950</link>
		<dc:creator>fuckoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Open Letter to Black People tryin&#039; ta do dem politics --

You are 13 fucking percent of the U.S. population.  Stop acting like because &quot;White peeps iz errywhere&quot; that means you get to play the game like you wuz fiddy fiddy.  We&#039;ll let you know when it&#039;s your turn.  Until then you can make believe with this dumpy little website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Open Letter to Black People tryin&#8217; ta do dem politics &#8211;</p>
<p>You are 13 fucking percent of the U.S. population.  Stop acting like because &#8220;White peeps iz errywhere&#8221; that means you get to play the game like you wuz fiddy fiddy.  We&#8217;ll let you know when it&#8217;s your turn.  Until then you can make believe with this dumpy little website.</p>
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		<title>By: Smack a White Boy Part Two: CrimethInc. Eviction - Squat the Planet Forums</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Smack a White Boy Part Two: CrimethInc. Eviction - Squat the Planet Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Smack a White Boy Round Two: CrimethInc. Eviction &#124; Illvox: Autonomous / Anti-Authoritarian / Anarchist People of Color - Build It From Below</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Smack a White Boy Round Two: CrimethInc. Eviction &#124; Illvox: Autonomous / Anti-Authoritarian / Anarchist People of Color - Build It From Below</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Do You Say? deaner on An Open Letter to White Progressives and Radicalssee through you on Smack A White Boy- DC APOC Reports Back!see through you on Bring it to the Yard: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Do You Say? deaner on An Open Letter to White Progressives and Radicalssee through you on Smack A White Boy- DC APOC Reports Back!see through you on Bring it to the Yard: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: deaner</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>deaner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 08:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;white chauvinism is such that white people assume the right to opine on things they know nothing about and make cultural assumptions about people&quot;

this is a cultural assumption of whites. if you&#039;re going to write something why don&#039;t you apply those critiques to yourself dickwad. peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;white chauvinism is such that white people assume the right to opine on things they know nothing about and make cultural assumptions about people&#8221;</p>
<p>this is a cultural assumption of whites. if you&#8217;re going to write something why don&#8217;t you apply those critiques to yourself dickwad. peace</p>
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		<title>By: see through you</title>
		<link>http://illvox.org/2008/05/an-open-letter-to-white-progressives-and-radicals/comment-page-1/#comment-941</link>
		<dc:creator>see through you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this looks like some kind of weird govt. situationist action.. 

there is no way this many people of color could embrace their colonization to the point of violence without the influence of some kind of govt. programmer being involved.. 

it is the maintenance of colonization, and unfortunately no one, no matter what &quot;color&quot; they are is exempt from being this stupid.

suckers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this looks like some kind of weird govt. situationist action.. </p>
<p>there is no way this many people of color could embrace their colonization to the point of violence without the influence of some kind of govt. programmer being involved.. </p>
<p>it is the maintenance of colonization, and unfortunately no one, no matter what &#8220;color&#8221; they are is exempt from being this stupid.</p>
<p>suckers.</p>
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