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		<title>By: elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-there are several countries in the very LARGE CONTINENT in Africa worth living in and safe to do so, as well as having a prosperous economy.

-Haiti became so fucked as a result of colonial and post-colonial meddeling by European nations.  You only have to flip through a random page in a history book to understand what kind of pressures exists under extreme federal poverty and disheartened people (if you need a good white example, think Germany circa the 1930s). Corruption and evil if you will in political leadership does not have a color, we simply seem to see it that way. There are many &quot;white countries&quot; that I would be too afraid to step foot in the same way you feel about Africa and haiti. How do you explain away/or even blame on the blacks the atrocities that have happened in Armenia, Chechenya, and the current slaughtering in Kyrgyzstan? As usual, your point of view and that of many others is STEEPED in a Westernist perception. A Western perception is one that doesn&#039;t care about the rest of the world, except those parts that help feed into its own ideology. And in this case, highlighting the plights and shortcommings of all black countries works out. Our news, media, and of course educational tools specifically and purposely construct our view of the world and how we are to view it. 

- The money sent to Haiti for the most part came in the form of  private contributions to private countries. President Obama nor the federal government has no control over where that money goes. I also doubt it was anywhere near a trillion dollars.

- While I personally am also sick of the cry for reparations, the Africans who did sell other Africans into slaver had nothing to do with the extreme mistreatment they received (and their descendants continue to receive) for hundreds of years once the y reached North America.

--in short, Let&#039;s really think about things before we talk and try to clear ourselves of our Westernist-only way of viewing the world in order to grasp a better understanding of things and why they work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-there are several countries in the very LARGE CONTINENT in Africa worth living in and safe to do so, as well as having a prosperous economy.</p>
<p>-Haiti became so fucked as a result of colonial and post-colonial meddeling by European nations.  You only have to flip through a random page in a history book to understand what kind of pressures exists under extreme federal poverty and disheartened people (if you need a good white example, think Germany circa the 1930s). Corruption and evil if you will in political leadership does not have a color, we simply seem to see it that way. There are many &#8220;white countries&#8221; that I would be too afraid to step foot in the same way you feel about Africa and haiti. How do you explain away/or even blame on the blacks the atrocities that have happened in Armenia, Chechenya, and the current slaughtering in Kyrgyzstan? As usual, your point of view and that of many others is STEEPED in a Westernist perception. A Western perception is one that doesn&#8217;t care about the rest of the world, except those parts that help feed into its own ideology. And in this case, highlighting the plights and shortcommings of all black countries works out. Our news, media, and of course educational tools specifically and purposely construct our view of the world and how we are to view it. </p>
<p>- The money sent to Haiti for the most part came in the form of  private contributions to private countries. President Obama nor the federal government has no control over where that money goes. I also doubt it was anywhere near a trillion dollars.</p>
<p>- While I personally am also sick of the cry for reparations, the Africans who did sell other Africans into slaver had nothing to do with the extreme mistreatment they received (and their descendants continue to receive) for hundreds of years once the y reached North America.</p>
<p>&#8211;in short, Let&#8217;s really think about things before we talk and try to clear ourselves of our Westernist-only way of viewing the world in order to grasp a better understanding of things and why they work.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody, especially in America has some racism in them. Mostly due to the brainwashing effects of media, societies, and the reinforcement of their brainwashed parents. An example of brainwashed for me is after seeing hundreds of Arab terrorists in movies and most likely only a few of other descents, people generally believe that an Arab is very likely to have ties to a terrorist or even be a terrorist. In reality, there have been a few dozen bombings done by a few dozen radical terrorists out of the billions of Arabs in the world. Even worse, there are many movies and shows which depicts Arab Americans as only being here to help take over America. Maybe there are a few of the sort, but media time and time again influences the way people think. Even if you go to an airport and think to yourself, I&#039;m not racist, so I don&#039;t think that Arab over there will blow up the plane, but the fact is still that you must go through the process of judging people FIRST by race, and second by other more important attributes like body language or something. So did you do anything wrong? Not necessarily, but your actions do harm when you multiply this by the millions of people who spend the extra minute judging someone by their skin, which may still seem harmless, but in times of fear like after 9-11, it leads to Arabs being automatically strip searched at airports. Or after World War 2, Japanese Americans were detained into internment camps, and some were even prosecuted as spies when they were ordinary Americans.
          Racism is often shown as one person hating another because he is black and so forth, but the real problem lies in the society you live in. A white kid cannot help but to be influenced by his society and develop judgments about other races, so when one decides to try and erase all of the years of learning to try and live a better, more open minded life, with the knowledge to know that we were all created equally, and that it is elitism that first tore us apart into race, why would you fight that? I understand there are fake people who think it  is the cool thing to do, and don&#039;t understand the whole concept of racism in society, not just their neighborhood and their whitewashed black friend. But when there is a white activist willing to take some sacrifice to help another group of people while he/she has no need to because of their automatic leg up in their life, I feel it is very judgmental to argue that a white activist cannot fight for what a black activist could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody, especially in America has some racism in them. Mostly due to the brainwashing effects of media, societies, and the reinforcement of their brainwashed parents. An example of brainwashed for me is after seeing hundreds of Arab terrorists in movies and most likely only a few of other descents, people generally believe that an Arab is very likely to have ties to a terrorist or even be a terrorist. In reality, there have been a few dozen bombings done by a few dozen radical terrorists out of the billions of Arabs in the world. Even worse, there are many movies and shows which depicts Arab Americans as only being here to help take over America. Maybe there are a few of the sort, but media time and time again influences the way people think. Even if you go to an airport and think to yourself, I&#8217;m not racist, so I don&#8217;t think that Arab over there will blow up the plane, but the fact is still that you must go through the process of judging people FIRST by race, and second by other more important attributes like body language or something. So did you do anything wrong? Not necessarily, but your actions do harm when you multiply this by the millions of people who spend the extra minute judging someone by their skin, which may still seem harmless, but in times of fear like after 9-11, it leads to Arabs being automatically strip searched at airports. Or after World War 2, Japanese Americans were detained into internment camps, and some were even prosecuted as spies when they were ordinary Americans.<br />
          Racism is often shown as one person hating another because he is black and so forth, but the real problem lies in the society you live in. A white kid cannot help but to be influenced by his society and develop judgments about other races, so when one decides to try and erase all of the years of learning to try and live a better, more open minded life, with the knowledge to know that we were all created equally, and that it is elitism that first tore us apart into race, why would you fight that? I understand there are fake people who think it  is the cool thing to do, and don&#8217;t understand the whole concept of racism in society, not just their neighborhood and their whitewashed black friend. But when there is a white activist willing to take some sacrifice to help another group of people while he/she has no need to because of their automatic leg up in their life, I feel it is very judgmental to argue that a white activist cannot fight for what a black activist could.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...wow...WOW, talk about being misinformed or, at best, knowing only a fraction of the &quot;truth&quot;.

&quot;A women in Africa is four times more likely to be raped than learn how to read, yet their leaders live in royal palaces with great food, drugs, alcohol and white whores.&quot; - You do realize that not every country in Africa is like Sudan/Somalia right? And not every nation in Africa is ruled by a oppressive greedy drug addicted dictator, I hope you are not like many Westerners with their extremely bad habit of thinking Africa = all the same (which I lay most of the blame on the media). 

Now onward to Obama - how would the President of the U.S. help, specifically, &quot;our people&quot;? His job is to look out and lead ALL Americans, not to cater to a certain group because of similarity in skin color. And this country was being destroyed WAY before Obama got into office, it&#039;s hilarious how some people seem to have forgotten all about Bush and the FACT...keyword FACT that we are in debt mainly because of him. 
And what does Haiti being a &quot;rat hole&quot; have to do with the fact that saving lives from a major catastrophe have anything do with what you&#039;re trying to argue? Are you saying &quot;it&#039;s a rat-hole so just let them die/suffer because it is a rat-hole&quot;? If so, that makes no sense and when people are in need, like Haiti obviously is, those with more help those in times of need. It&#039;s not as if we were pouring trillions of dollars into Haiti prior to the earthquake so again, I don&#039;t see the point of your argument beyond a &quot;screw them for being a rat-hole&quot; stance which, IF that&#039;s the case, is wrong on SO many levels.

Yes, Africans owned and traded other Africans as slaves...just like other continents did for THOUSANDS of years but this doesn&#039;t mean MOST/ALL did that, as a matter of fact some refused to give slaves to Europeans (some resulted in becoming slaves themselves because of that). However - slavery in Africa was not like the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, people were not born into slavery in Africa, most cases there was a time period where people were required to serve and slaves in Africa actually had some rights and were far more humanely than those who were sent to the New World (those who made it I should say). And usually the slavery in Africa was either from victories in wars/battles or righting wrongs, it wasn&#039;t because they were &quot;bunch of uncivilized darkies&quot;. Trans-Atlantic slave trade was a form of slavery that Indigenous Americans and Africans endured in the New World, most countries with slaves from Africa to Europe DID NOT use this form of servitude - for most people it was WAY too costly, inhumane, and just stupid to treat people like that. 
So please dig deeper into the issues to get the WHOLE picture and not just half-truths because this will only continue to reinforce negative stereotypes about black people from misinformation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;wow&#8230;WOW, talk about being misinformed or, at best, knowing only a fraction of the &#8220;truth&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;A women in Africa is four times more likely to be raped than learn how to read, yet their leaders live in royal palaces with great food, drugs, alcohol and white whores.&#8221; &#8211; You do realize that not every country in Africa is like Sudan/Somalia right? And not every nation in Africa is ruled by a oppressive greedy drug addicted dictator, I hope you are not like many Westerners with their extremely bad habit of thinking Africa = all the same (which I lay most of the blame on the media). </p>
<p>Now onward to Obama &#8211; how would the President of the U.S. help, specifically, &#8220;our people&#8221;? His job is to look out and lead ALL Americans, not to cater to a certain group because of similarity in skin color. And this country was being destroyed WAY before Obama got into office, it&#8217;s hilarious how some people seem to have forgotten all about Bush and the FACT&#8230;keyword FACT that we are in debt mainly because of him.<br />
And what does Haiti being a &#8220;rat hole&#8221; have to do with the fact that saving lives from a major catastrophe have anything do with what you&#8217;re trying to argue? Are you saying &#8220;it&#8217;s a rat-hole so just let them die/suffer because it is a rat-hole&#8221;? If so, that makes no sense and when people are in need, like Haiti obviously is, those with more help those in times of need. It&#8217;s not as if we were pouring trillions of dollars into Haiti prior to the earthquake so again, I don&#8217;t see the point of your argument beyond a &#8220;screw them for being a rat-hole&#8221; stance which, IF that&#8217;s the case, is wrong on SO many levels.</p>
<p>Yes, Africans owned and traded other Africans as slaves&#8230;just like other continents did for THOUSANDS of years but this doesn&#8217;t mean MOST/ALL did that, as a matter of fact some refused to give slaves to Europeans (some resulted in becoming slaves themselves because of that). However &#8211; slavery in Africa was not like the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, people were not born into slavery in Africa, most cases there was a time period where people were required to serve and slaves in Africa actually had some rights and were far more humanely than those who were sent to the New World (those who made it I should say). And usually the slavery in Africa was either from victories in wars/battles or righting wrongs, it wasn&#8217;t because they were &#8220;bunch of uncivilized darkies&#8221;. Trans-Atlantic slave trade was a form of slavery that Indigenous Americans and Africans endured in the New World, most countries with slaves from Africa to Europe DID NOT use this form of servitude &#8211; for most people it was WAY too costly, inhumane, and just stupid to treat people like that.<br />
So please dig deeper into the issues to get the WHOLE picture and not just half-truths because this will only continue to reinforce negative stereotypes about black people from misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rasta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fixer&quot;, I hope you are a cracka in disguise, because if you are actually Black you are one of the saddest cases of a pathetic brainwashed house knee-grow I have ever, ever seen, and I&#039;ve seen a few. I hope the loa/orixas, and your own ancestors, forgive you for your comments about the mighty people of Ayiti there, otherwise you will find your life beset with difficulty and tragedy at every turn. Be warned.
For those who care to read it, here is an interesting article about the whole &quot;our african brothers sold us to the whites&quot; shit... read it, investigate for yourself and make up your own mind... Sis. Ayanna, take it away:
http://www.rootswomen.com/ayanna/articles/10022004.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fixer&#8221;, I hope you are a cracka in disguise, because if you are actually Black you are one of the saddest cases of a pathetic brainwashed house knee-grow I have ever, ever seen, and I&#8217;ve seen a few. I hope the loa/orixas, and your own ancestors, forgive you for your comments about the mighty people of Ayiti there, otherwise you will find your life beset with difficulty and tragedy at every turn. Be warned.<br />
For those who care to read it, here is an interesting article about the whole &#8220;our african brothers sold us to the whites&#8221; shit&#8230; read it, investigate for yourself and make up your own mind&#8230; Sis. Ayanna, take it away:<br />
<a href="http://www.rootswomen.com/ayanna/articles/10022004.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rootswomen.com/ayanna/articles/10022004.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fixer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fixer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look around the world at ANY country run by Blacks. Is there one you would want to live in…..Haiti, any country in Africa, Jamaica, etc. Blacks are incapable of self-rule. A women in Africa is four times more likely to be raped than learn how to read, yet their leaders live in royal palaces with great food, drugs, alcohol and white whores.
Here in our own country we thought having a Black president would help our people. So far he is just destroying our country from the inside by putting us into debt. Let’s go back to Haiti: So far the USA has spent about one trillion dollars to help the relief effort in Haiti. Haiti was a rat-hole before the earth quake and will be a rat-hole after the relief efforts have subsided. President Obama should have spent that money at home to help his people.
One trillion dollars would have gone a long way spent in the USA on education, health care and crime prevention to help our people’s lives.
While I am writing, I must address one more issue…..I hear my bothers talk about reparations: Who do you think sold us into slavery back in the day? It was our African brothers who sold us to the Whites…..we always seem to forget that.
Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look around the world at ANY country run by Blacks. Is there one you would want to live in…..Haiti, any country in Africa, Jamaica, etc. Blacks are incapable of self-rule. A women in Africa is four times more likely to be raped than learn how to read, yet their leaders live in royal palaces with great food, drugs, alcohol and white whores.<br />
Here in our own country we thought having a Black president would help our people. So far he is just destroying our country from the inside by putting us into debt. Let’s go back to Haiti: So far the USA has spent about one trillion dollars to help the relief effort in Haiti. Haiti was a rat-hole before the earth quake and will be a rat-hole after the relief efforts have subsided. President Obama should have spent that money at home to help his people.<br />
One trillion dollars would have gone a long way spent in the USA on education, health care and crime prevention to help our people’s lives.<br />
While I am writing, I must address one more issue…..I hear my bothers talk about reparations: Who do you think sold us into slavery back in the day? It was our African brothers who sold us to the Whites…..we always seem to forget that.<br />
Peace.</p>
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